Blow Jobs and Hand Jobs and Rim Jobs, oh my!
Anyway, for the source of all this fun with Andy... go here & read this (including comments).
Then read this.
Then come back here.
One might also argue that the Emancipation Proclamation, the Civil Rights Act and the order to desegregate schools (among other things) also came from the Oval Office. I dunno if that evens everything out, but I still view the Office and the man occupying it are worthy of respect, even if I disagree vehemently with their policies. Towards the end of his 2nd term, I despised Bill Clinton and his rabid harpy with an icy cold passion. Still, given the opportunity, I would not have refused to shake his hand, or done something stupid like fling pies at him. Call me old fashioned, but some things are Just Not Done. Yeah, he was a philandering weasel, but he was OUR weasel. You don't insult the opponent, you just vote him out.
To call the Oval Office just another room kinda misses the point, though. Yeah, JFK probably banged Marilyn there before he had RFK order Hoover to have her offed. No doubt FDR got a handjob or two. Hell, ol' Silent Cal Coolidge might have had his own little "jazz recital" (to use the vernacular of the day) while gazing out at the South Lawn. Doesn't make it right in any case. I'm not talking about the sex, either. I'm talking about sex in an inappropriate place.
As one who refuses to subscribe to the frightening philosophy of Deconstructionism, I still have a few moral values that I try to adhere to. No doubt the liberal elite Postmodernites find them amusing (though lacking in nuance) in an artlessly provincial way. Still, I feel you gotta draw the line somewhere. So, for the record, as far as I'm concerned, sex is OK. Gay sex, furry sex, oral sex, butt sex, elbow sex, hammock sex, igloo sex, whatever blows your kilt up. As long as everyone's a willing participant (which does exclude animals and children... sorry, that informed consent thing is vital), I'm perfectly OK with it. I don't think you should cheat on a partner that expects monogamy, but that's my "hang-up", not yours, so do what ya gotta do. I may disapprove, but you'll never hear about it unless you specifically ask my opinion. I'm a bit different from the Xtians and the busybody Nanny-Staters that way.
It's the WHERE that matters. In your car, in your tree, in your boat on the sea... that's all good. There's just a few places I feel, in my old-fashioned way, that it's inappropriate to share our Precious Bodily Fluids. I'd like to think that humans have evolved to the point where we can control our whims and not relieve ourselves sexually wherever the urge strikes. So, sex in the office? Big NO on that one. You're there to make a living, not get your pipes cleaned. I'll give you a pass on this on if you're a porn star.
Howzabout in church? Well, the Xtian bible said "be fruitful and multiply", but I'm not sure they intended people to shag on the altar or in the pews. I'm not a member of any organized religion, and don't personally hold any great regard for the church building in other than an aesthetic manner. OTOH, I have many friends that do attend a church regularly, and they would feel great disgust should I pitch or catch in their baptismal pool. It is partially my regard for their feelings that keep me from fucking in a confessional, but mostly because there's an unwritten social contract that states that we don't need to crap on what's important to others. When that contract is broken, polite society starts to fade.
Now, as for Clinton and his Oval Office hummer. If Andy and I are both OK on the sex part, not OK on the extramarital part, split on the location part, and still at an impasse, what's left?
How about Conduct Unbecoming? He was, after all, the leader of the Armed Forces.
How about it was just tasteless? For the most powerful man in the free world, he sure hung out with some ugggllleee wimmenfolks.
On to Andy's other points...
1. The extramarital component was the problem I had with Clinton’s behavior. I mean really, should he have insisted on taking her to the war room so the Oval Office would remain unsullied? Please.
See? Now that's just silly. Everyone knows that *fighting* isn't allowed in the War Room. Fucking's perfectly OK. And, yes, he shoulda boffed her elsewhere.
2. I don’t think Jack Ryan did anything wrong in asking his wife to have public sex with strangers.
Well, IMHO it's creepy as hell, and he's an inconsiderate bastard for springing it on her in public. The act of asking in itself is no moral crime, though.
3. No arguments on this one.
4. Hey, Mary Cheney had a job as gay-lesbian liaison for Coors. She is managing her father’s reelection campaign. Her father has acknowledged in public she is a lesbian. Sorry, you can’t have your cake (or is that pie?) and eat it too. Naming her is legitimate.
Legitimate, yes, but pretty crass nonetheless. You didn't see Cheney complain that Govt. spending would increase because Edwards's wife would have to have a special Air Force One seat made to accommodate her spacious backside.
5. No arguments on this one.
OK, that's all for now. I still need to go pollute Andy's comments with links back here.
Adios, buckaroos....
Then read this.
Then come back here.
One might also argue that the Emancipation Proclamation, the Civil Rights Act and the order to desegregate schools (among other things) also came from the Oval Office. I dunno if that evens everything out, but I still view the Office and the man occupying it are worthy of respect, even if I disagree vehemently with their policies. Towards the end of his 2nd term, I despised Bill Clinton and his rabid harpy with an icy cold passion. Still, given the opportunity, I would not have refused to shake his hand, or done something stupid like fling pies at him. Call me old fashioned, but some things are Just Not Done. Yeah, he was a philandering weasel, but he was OUR weasel. You don't insult the opponent, you just vote him out.
To call the Oval Office just another room kinda misses the point, though. Yeah, JFK probably banged Marilyn there before he had RFK order Hoover to have her offed. No doubt FDR got a handjob or two. Hell, ol' Silent Cal Coolidge might have had his own little "jazz recital" (to use the vernacular of the day) while gazing out at the South Lawn. Doesn't make it right in any case. I'm not talking about the sex, either. I'm talking about sex in an inappropriate place.
As one who refuses to subscribe to the frightening philosophy of Deconstructionism, I still have a few moral values that I try to adhere to. No doubt the liberal elite Postmodernites find them amusing (though lacking in nuance) in an artlessly provincial way. Still, I feel you gotta draw the line somewhere. So, for the record, as far as I'm concerned, sex is OK. Gay sex, furry sex, oral sex, butt sex, elbow sex, hammock sex, igloo sex, whatever blows your kilt up. As long as everyone's a willing participant (which does exclude animals and children... sorry, that informed consent thing is vital), I'm perfectly OK with it. I don't think you should cheat on a partner that expects monogamy, but that's my "hang-up", not yours, so do what ya gotta do. I may disapprove, but you'll never hear about it unless you specifically ask my opinion. I'm a bit different from the Xtians and the busybody Nanny-Staters that way.
It's the WHERE that matters. In your car, in your tree, in your boat on the sea... that's all good. There's just a few places I feel, in my old-fashioned way, that it's inappropriate to share our Precious Bodily Fluids. I'd like to think that humans have evolved to the point where we can control our whims and not relieve ourselves sexually wherever the urge strikes. So, sex in the office? Big NO on that one. You're there to make a living, not get your pipes cleaned. I'll give you a pass on this on if you're a porn star.
Howzabout in church? Well, the Xtian bible said "be fruitful and multiply", but I'm not sure they intended people to shag on the altar or in the pews. I'm not a member of any organized religion, and don't personally hold any great regard for the church building in other than an aesthetic manner. OTOH, I have many friends that do attend a church regularly, and they would feel great disgust should I pitch or catch in their baptismal pool. It is partially my regard for their feelings that keep me from fucking in a confessional, but mostly because there's an unwritten social contract that states that we don't need to crap on what's important to others. When that contract is broken, polite society starts to fade.
Now, as for Clinton and his Oval Office hummer. If Andy and I are both OK on the sex part, not OK on the extramarital part, split on the location part, and still at an impasse, what's left?
How about Conduct Unbecoming? He was, after all, the leader of the Armed Forces.
How about it was just tasteless? For the most powerful man in the free world, he sure hung out with some ugggllleee wimmenfolks.
On to Andy's other points...
1. The extramarital component was the problem I had with Clinton’s behavior. I mean really, should he have insisted on taking her to the war room so the Oval Office would remain unsullied? Please.
See? Now that's just silly. Everyone knows that *fighting* isn't allowed in the War Room. Fucking's perfectly OK. And, yes, he shoulda boffed her elsewhere.
2. I don’t think Jack Ryan did anything wrong in asking his wife to have public sex with strangers.
Well, IMHO it's creepy as hell, and he's an inconsiderate bastard for springing it on her in public. The act of asking in itself is no moral crime, though.
3. No arguments on this one.
4. Hey, Mary Cheney had a job as gay-lesbian liaison for Coors. She is managing her father’s reelection campaign. Her father has acknowledged in public she is a lesbian. Sorry, you can’t have your cake (or is that pie?) and eat it too. Naming her is legitimate.
Legitimate, yes, but pretty crass nonetheless. You didn't see Cheney complain that Govt. spending would increase because Edwards's wife would have to have a special Air Force One seat made to accommodate her spacious backside.
5. No arguments on this one.
OK, that's all for now. I still need to go pollute Andy's comments with links back here.
Adios, buckaroos....
posted by El Capitan | 10:43 PM
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